I am not one of the ones who did Nazi that coming. That was a great line by Phil.

I did Nazi that coming either ;-p We are in Germany 1933. All we can do is wait until 1945.

NAZI!

It's a Roman Salute. Nazis stole it. And like with everything else commies want the thieves to get to keep it.

I advise anyone insisting that America is historical Germany to really analyze what it was like there back then. We studied historical Germany a lot in world history classes. I know enough to know that historical Germany was far worse, and there is no real comparison. You will take all kinds of harsh laws from people you agree with (aka people from the party you like), but then you resort to name calling, despair and anger when it comes from the other party

There's no such thing as a "Roman Salute" you will not find any reference to it in roman literature.

Nobody in their right mind would think that Musk would be thinking "oh, it's a Roman Salute, nobody could mistake it for anything else"... he knew perfectly well what he was doing. Has the slavish devotion to Trump, the willingness to ignore his idiocy, his pettiness, his complete self-centredness etc ad nauseam.. has this blinkered viewpoint transferred over to Elon, now that Musk is kissing the Trumpian ring?

Way to nail it, AV. I agree with you on all of this, especially Bill Burr's idiotic comments. He's got more hair than brains when it comes to logical analysis. Lastly, does anybody understand why George&GermaineBriantFan is posting old retorts aimed at him in other people's posts?

The fact that a half-wit like yourself, who posts virtually the same thing every day, sometimes multiple times, would even bring up the subject of “a higher purpose” may be the most risible thing I’ll read this week. Serious question: have you ever written a comment that didn’t have stolen bits from my past postings? Oh, I know, creativity’s hard, especially when you’re not exactly “gifted” with anything approaching a normal intellect. I wish you well with your dish washing career.

Why are you posting retorts aimed at George&GermaineBriantFan in other people's posts? Arch Vile's comment deleted. Hmm.

Notice how MSM never show you the context, the before or after? Musk might be autistic or asperger (or both) but hardly a nazi (for starters, when would he find time to hang out in secret with that douche miniority dudes between running three of the words biggest companies AND being chased by reporters around the clock?)

Anyway - someone has now made a song/video out of the 90 seconds leading up to the "salute" or whatever you wanna call it - so feel free to rewrite it as a parody for AiR here while judging for yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoDnpIpCj1I

Oh, come on, Peter: you say "intervention with logic", the start with a completely inaccurate premise: the entirety of Musk's speech was/is available via multiple "mainstream" media sources. Pretending that Musk wasn't completely aware of what he was doing is laughable. Does intentionally doing a Nazi salute make him Hitler? Not necessarily. So why did he? Possibly just a leaf from the Trump playbook: do something to create a story and move on to the next scandalous bollocks while people are still frothing about the current one. But denying that he meant a Nazi salute is not a logical intervention.

If you can't hear the real emotion in that speech, that he truly believes he's part of saving civilization and making us a multiplanetary species, that he's almost starting to cry like a happy child, that he's having to get physical with his whole body to stop himself from crying kinda like children do when they're worked themselves overtired but don't wont to go to bed just yet because they're having so much fun at the moment - then I don't know how to help you see it.

So how does that mean he wasn't intentionally doing a salute known pretty much the world over for what it is? The emotion was a bit weird, I'm confused over what he was getting so emotional about. He hadn't won anything. Was a bit overblown for a borderline sociopath who has backed a winning horse.

Exactly how old would you have to be to be familiar with a nazi salute? Most wouldn't know what it was, so easily could be done inadvertently. I'm not saying it was, just easily could have been

How old to know what a Nazi salute is? One doesn't have to have been in the presence of actual Nazis to be aware.. so many movies, so many references.. are you really to suggest Musk doesn't know what he did? Just happened to pick that as a gesture for the crowd?

Peter, it doesn't matter that he might be autistic or if he was happy as fu**. There are just things one should not do in a public space. Twice, let's not forget.

It's people like you who would encourage the world to go to war with America to free it from its leadership based on appearances or accusations

"Go to war with America"?

...seems rather like Trump's going to war with America all by himself. I notice that you lot are *very* quick to ascribe inaccurate motives and predictions of behaviour for me, while trying desperately to ignore what those you idolize have actually said and done.

Old school nazism lost all meaningful relevance twenty years before I was born, so it doesn't mean more to me in current times than the spanish inquistion or the bubonic plague or the viking era raids described on rune stones in the area where I grew up.

And maybe it's easier to spot the MSM "everyone that oppose us is a nazi" pattern in a multicultural party system like Sweden's. We currently have eight parties in our parlament. The one that was called nazis when I was young are now in an oppositional coalition with the social democrats that used to smear them, best buddies and considered good guys. The ones that were called nazis after them now hold's the PM position and are considered society bearing, including full force support for democracy and defence in Ukraine. And the current belt holders of the nazi title since early 00s have sort of a trainee position within the government, again for the third time in my lifetime without the world collapsing or concentration camps popping up on the countryside.

Furthermore the term nazi that as late as around 2014 used to mean "person that wants to kill all jews" have over the last year of propalestinian protest gone through an 180 degree MSM switcharoo and now more and more often used to smear a "person that DON'T want to kill all jews". Yes, really, according to some gubment reporters here on and not just off the mic you're now a secret nazi if you DON'T support the idea of killing all jews between the river and the sea. Gotta admit not even I saw that coming. I don't wanna kill anyone, ever, so apparently that makes me a potential nazi over here these days. People can shout "the wolf/nazis are coming" as much as they want over a raised Musk hand gesture or a conservative party - I've heard it all before, it's been wrong every single time so far in my lifetime and it's wrong this time too.

I don't idolize anyone. I was just saying that that's where your rhetoric eventually inevitably leads, which should be prevented of course. Governments around the world still want to work with America. Democrats still want to work with Republicans in American government. You see this especially in congress. Yes, they often disagree but they try to work together. Your kind of hateful rhetoric exists on the campaign trail but at least mostly ends after the election typically in America

Yeah, and I've often been called a "grammar Nazi".. pulling in lots of different uses of the word is irrelevant to the discussion at hand: what Musk did was a gesture that he very definitely knows is associated with the original Aryan-destiny-supporting holocaust-causing world-war-starting bunch of white supremacists. That's the only thing that counts: that Musk knew he was being a Third Reich copycat.

Only a few percentage of people today were even alive back when that gesture held that meaning for a few years - that particular interpretation is older than copyright protection - it's really way about time to allow it in public domain for modern reuse in other contexts

After all, there are only a limited number of gestures the human arm can do so allowing dead nazis and dead ideologies to continue to occupy that particular sign is kinda like letting them win one battlefield retroactively forever and ever and ever.

Like I said above; Hitler was twenty years dead already when I was born and I'm sick and tired of being supposed to care what hand gestures and other pre-internet era (no, make that pre-television era) cultures thingies meant

For one other example; the Nazis were big fans of Coca-Cola, it was a big thing in Germany back then, so why not throw "that makes you a nazi symphathiser" in the face every time you see someone drink that particular soda or see an ad for it on television? (Not that hardly anyone watches scheduled television anymore, that habbit has both come AND gone big time since real nazism were killed off in 1945.